In this episode of Enneagram in Real Life, Stephanie Barron Hall interviews Sandra Smith, longtime Enneagram teacher and author of The Enneagram Map to Your Deeper Self: Living Beyond Your Type. Sandra shares her personal journey of discovering her leading type as Eight, the transformative role the Enneagram has played in her personal growth, and how she now teaches the system as a map toward presence and inner freedom rather than just a typing tool. They explore how they work with clients and teams, how to utilize other points on the map, and how embodied presence can open the door to deeper truth. Sandra also offers type-specific practices from her book to help listeners move beyond their ego habits.Find the full show notes here: https://www.ninetypes.co/blog/stranscending-type-with-enneagram-8-sandra-smith🔗 Connect with Sandra Smith!📷Sandra’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sandrasmithalchemyworks/💻Sandra’s Website: https://alchemyworksevents.com/🔗 Connect with Steph!💻 Stephanie’s Website: https://ninetypes.co/📷 Stephanie’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ninetypesco🎥 Stephanie’s Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@stephbarronhallHere are the key takeaways:Sandra shares her journey of encountering the Enneagram and finding her core type The Enneagram is a map, not a box—your type is just the beginning of your journeyStephanie and Sandra talk about working with organizationsSandra talks about utilizing the arrows and the wingsPresence arises when we’re grounded in the body and emotionally openType patterns begin early and form limiting habits, but can be softened through awarenessMoments of awe reveal our essenceSandra offers practical, embodied advice tailored to each type to help interrupt habitual defensesWe are more than our type—transcending our personality opens us to compassion and freedomSpiritual wholeness comes through embodied presence, not self-fixingHow to connect with SandraResources mentioned in this episode:Work from Sandra Maitri Work from Elisabeth Kubler-RossHeart of the Enneagram podcast (co-hosted by Sandra Smith)Chatter by Ethan KrossThe Diamond ApproachPoetry by Hafiz, Mary Oliver, Rumi, David Whyte, John O’Donohue, Denise LevertovWant to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.

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