Listen "Optimism vs. hope, with Rutger Bregman"
Episode Synopsis
Rutger Bregman is a Dutch historian with a radical new idea: what if human beings are not innately savage and selfish, but compassionate and kind? I talk to Rutger about his uplifting new book, Humankind; the difference between optimism and hope; and why we need to look beyond cultural myth to find the truth. I felt comforted and hopeful after speaking to Rutger - I hope you do, too.
How Do We Know We're Doing It Right is out now in both
hardback and audiobook, narrated by Pandora.
How Do We Know We're Doing It Right is out now in both
hardback and audiobook, narrated by Pandora.
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