In this first episode of the Dialogical Spaces podcast, we talk with Aminata Cairo, Sterre Mkatini and Laura Vargas Llona about inclusion and exclusion within universities as learning environments and within the stories we tell in academic research. Specifically, we explore how diversity and inclusion should be much more than representation and reflect on Aminata Cairo’s concept of ‘Holding Space’ as the courageous act of creating a powerful discomfort to start dismantling injustices within academia. This episode was pre- and post-produced by Sara Trejos from Sillón Estudios.
Links from our guests:

Aminata Cairo’s website: https://aminatacairo.com/projects/
Holding space, the podcast in Spotify.
UToday interview with Sterre Mkatini.

Links from the University of Twente:

UTwente portal for Diversity and Inclusion.
UTwente Shaping Expert Group Inclusion.
More information about the Dialogical Spaces project.

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