In this episode, Deborah sits down with entrepreneur David Vanderveen. David grew up surfing giant swells on the Great Lakes and has ridden his own wave ever since. He describes his unique life journey to Deborah and our listeners: from his childhood in a conservative, religious Dutch-American community to a varied professional career that has included political PR, biotechnology, software development, and worldwide success with health and energy drinks. Be sure to follow along on IG @Deborahcratic and visit Deborahcratic.com!

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