Navigating the Complex Landscape of AI and Cybersecurity: A Conversation with Rob T. Lee In this weekend edition of Cybersecurity Today, host Jim Love interviews Rob T. Lee, the Chief AI Officer and Chief of Research at the SANS Institute. They discuss the intersection of AI, education, and security, highlighting the dual nature of AI as both a transformative technology with immense benefits and as a significant security risk. Rob shares his insights on how organizations can mitigate these risks by adopting a 'yes' framework towards AI, fostering a culture of learning and experimentation, and acknowledging the vulnerabilities and knowledge gaps in the field. He emphasizes the importance of community engagement, practical learning, and the role of AI champions in driving innovation while maintaining security. Throughout the conversation, they address the challenges of implementing AI governance and explore the need for continual adaptation in the fast-evolving tech landscape. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction 00:25 AI: Potential and Risks 01:26 Business vs. Security 03:36 Rob's Background and Experience 05:18 The Role of Practitioners in SANS 08:46 Governance and Security Challenges 17:13 The Crisis of Competency in AI 25:03 Encouraging Hands-On Learning 30:41 The Importance of Executive Involvement 33:49 The Problem with Security and Shadow AI 34:05 The Consequences of Shadow AI 34:52 Evaluating and Banning AI Tools 36:48 The Role of Executives in AI Adoption 40:04 Learning and Adapting to AI 42:47 The Importance of Community and Vulnerability 51:19 Practical Steps for AI Governance 58:47 Final Thoughts and Resources

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