Andy and Mark sit down with Dr. Rick Lance and talk about leadership and ministry challenges.Dr. Lance is the Executive Director of the Alabama State Board of Missions.Quotables:“A person really needs to do a ministry audit of themselves... asking themselves very strategic questions.”“We have to be good followers of Christ in order to lead others for Christ.”“My best avenues for learning about leadership... come by observation, and reading biographies.”“I study war in order to make peace.”Dr. Lance mentioned the book, The Gatekeepers: How the White House Chiefs of Staff Define Every Presidency By Chris WhippleQuotables: “I think the word effectiveness is better than success.”“Most of us live our lives focusing on our résumé virtues, and trying to get through life impressing people... Eulogy virtues are far more important”Dr. Lance also referenced The Road to Character by David BrooksThanks for listening, subscribing, and sharing the podcast!

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