Almost all incident response plans include a "lessons learned" step, and in the post adrenalin phase that follows many breaches,  reviewing what worked and what needs improving doesn't excite a lot of people. Adam McMath is clearly the exception,  leading incident response activities in both the cyber realm and physical. How do resilience and incident response  lessons learned while literally fighting fires translate into risk management practices within cyber security, is a good question explored in depth with this month's guest. Mr. McMath's experience and exuberance are evident throughout, with a great deal of additional content that will appear in a future espresso shot bonus episode.

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