In this podcast episode host Jason Rome and guest David Brown discuss a practical approach to planning, moving beyond "process theater." It advocates for transparently managing technical debt as product work, leveraging habits over rigid processes, and clearly framing trade-offs. We'll explore clustering work by component to reduce friction, integrating testers early, and dedicating consistent time for modernization. Culture is built on micro-behaviors, emphasizing hiring people who "clean what they touch" and embedding new habits into existing rituals. Recognizing that teams differ, we'll use Team Topologies to align diverse teams with varied cadences, staggering planning and acknowledging the need for dedicated capacity for discovery. If you're ready to embrace practical clarity—visible debt, respectful sequencing, and useful planning—this conversation provides concrete steps to start tomorrow.Episode Resources:Jason Rome on LinkedIn: /jason-rom-275b2014David Brown on LinkedIn: /in/david-allen-brown/Method Website: method.com

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