In this episode, we are joined by Ben Johnson and Dr. Ben Wilder. Ben Johnson is a Tucson based visual artist and curator whose photo-realistic paintings have been featured in galleries worldwide. Dr. Ben Wilder is a Tucson based botanist & desert ecologist. He is the director of the Tumamoc Hill Desert Laboratory & the Director of the Next Generation Sonoran Desert Researchers.   Ben Johnson and Dr. Ben Wilder have spent the last several years traveling to Sonora, Mexico to study and catalogue one of the Sonoran Desert's most intriguing phenomenon, the Pozos of the Grand Desierto. The pozos are ancient fresh water springs sprinkled mysteriously along the largest expanse of sand dunes in North America. In this conversation, we explore the new scientific findings of the pozos and the artwork that resulted from several seasons of collaboration between our two guests. As the conversation unfolds, we find ourselves unraveling deeper truths about these sites as confluence points of culture, biology, and larger earth systems.   Dr. Ben Wilder and Ben Johnson Pozos project website: https://ngen6and6.com/ben-and-ben   Link to Hidden Water artwork: https://www.benjohnsonart.com/artwork/hidden-water-pozos-of-the-gran-desierto/   Link to Geoscience Paper: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3263/9/9/378  

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