In this conversation, Ben speaks to Kate Pljaskovova, Founder and CEO of Fair HQ.Ben and Kate discuss how work and a career take shape - and use her own experience as the backdrop. In an interesting turn of events, having begun as a nanny, she stumbled into working for the start-up the child’s father was building … and then didn't look back from there.They reflect on the importance of patterns, in our cultures and our memories, and reflect on the influence of our parents. Kate talks about why she feels able to step “outside of the box” in a way that others can’t - and she reflects on becoming a mother.Kate’s expectations of work, are defined above all by freedom, learning, autonomy and this sense of adventure. She makes big career decisions based on learning and excitement, not opportunity cost - and it makes for one of the most free-flowing conversations to date.

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