Ben and Chris chat with Carmen Vicente, the Head of Marketing for Bellwoods Brewery in Toronto, about the path from brewer to marketing, developing a brand voice, chasing limited edition Milk Sharks, and why she doesn't really get to name beers anymore. We also debate pools, kids with pierced ears, and going topless.

Recommended on this show:
- Dune by Frank Herbert
- The Sense of an Ending by Julian Barnes
- How to do Nothing by Jenny Odell
- City Primeval: High Noon in Detroit by Elmore Leonard
- @Dick_Graffiti by Pat

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