Pintu wonders why do we judge people, things, and ourselves. What is the "self"? James describes 2 Buddhist concepts: the 3 marks of existence and the 5 skandhas. Featuring references to David Hume and Chögyam Trungpa. At one point, James will attempt to reference Adelson's checker shadow illusion, but it sounds like his mouth says "Alison". The conversation wraps with a discussion on what it means to "take care" in the world.

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