Clarissa Lucas is IT Audit Director, speaker, and book author. I loved talking to her because, for most of my professional career, I was dealing with the technical aspects of delivering software solutions. And I remember many times I was freaking out because I saw that "we", the technical people, and "they", the non-technical people, were not aligned on how we delivered software. Clarissa comes from that other side of the fence and is working hard to achieve the alignment of delivery and audit. We talked about auditing with agility and tearing down the fence between delivery teams and auditors.Subscribe to 0800-DEVOPS newsletter here.This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #46 - Auditing with agility with Clarissa Lucas.[Check out podcast chapters if available on your podcast platform or use links below](01:16)Introduction(02:36)What is the role of Audit? (06:18)How is audit traditionally performed in enterprise organizations? (12:38)A different way of collaborating with delivery teams (16:58)Modern software development practices vs. traditional audit approach (21:08)CABs and manual checks (28:03)Advice on getting Audit people on-board with process improvements (30:20)Understanding the Audit perspective (walk in their shoes) (33:40)The upcoming book "Beyond Agile Auditing" (37:11)Book recommendations, people to followText me what you think.

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