In this episode of the Phoenix Cast, hosts John and Kyle are joined by special guests Josh Stiefel and LTG (ret) Edward Cardon, the architects of CSIS’ Cyber Force project. We'd love to hear your thoughts! Tweet us at our new handle, @ThePhoenixCast, and don't forget to join our LinkedIn Group to connect with fellow Phoenix Casters. If you enjoyed the episode, help us out by leaving one of those coveted 5-star reviews on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for listening!Links:CSIS announcement:  https://youtu.be/f-u_P9yp6AI?si=ykRebsVoEtFC3BkPCSIS 16 Sept panel:  https://www.csis.org/events/launch-commission-us-cyber-force-generationMcCrary Institute: Cyber Force, ROI, and the Case for Reform with Ed Cardon & Josh Stiefel

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