r/zen is a reddit forum about Zen scholarship, study, and practice. Reddit Post: https://old.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/18cqim5/disagreeing_with_zen_masters/ Post Summary: Is there any disagreement in Zen? Zen Teaching: Though Ch'ang Ch'ing, Hsuan Sha, and Yun Men can handle the snake, they don't see. After all Hsueh Tou says, "Right now it's hidden here on Ju Peak; those who come, one by one observe expedient methods." Hsueh Tou is still too subtle; he doesn't say, "Use it right away," but instead shouted loudly and said, "Look right under your feet!" Since ancient times how many people have picked up the snake and played with it? Tell me, has the snake ever wounded anyone or not? Then the Master Yuan Wu struck. Post Cast Overview: Disagreement requires understanding Zen Lineage: www.reddit.com/r/zensangha/wiki/getstarted

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