In the introduction to this episode's interview, Mai Ling shares an exciting announcement about an upcoming project that she'll be working on. Then we jump into a conversation between Mai Ling and Dr. Li-Rong "Lilly" Cheng, who is the Director of the Chinese Cultural Center at San Diego State University. Dr. Cheng was the founder of the Asian Pacific Islander Caucus of ASHA and she talks about her early days as a diversity advocate and the unique perspectives of Asian culture on discussing diversity, inclusion, and sensitive matters. They also discuss the progress that has been made on these issues and what still needs to be accomplished.

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