Jennifer and Jacques talk about some stories that may help us understand our times and think about doing things differently as a society, such as: 'The Hare and the tortoise', 'The emperor has no clothes', and 'The story of King Midas'. They finish up by talking about Donald Trump's 'The art of the deal', as discussed by Aboriginal author, Tyson Yunkaporta, in his latest book: 'Right story, wrong story'. To quote Yunkaporta: "... 'The art of the deal' is everywhere now. It's a shameful and shameless process. Flip, lie, contradict yourself, double down and yell until everything is broken, then enjoy your social advancement as you stand upon the smoking ruins of your relationships..." This is part of Yunkaporta's broader critique of the 'scorched-earth' policies of our destructive economic experiment which has been scaled to the planetary level. ReferenceTyson Yunkaporta (2023) Right Story Wrong Story: Adventures in Indigenous Thinking Melbourne: Text Publ.

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