In this compelling episode of The Future of Finance, host Georges Dyer speaks with Dr. David Orr, a pioneering voice in ecological economics and democracy reform. Orr, a professor and author of Democracy in a Hotter Time and Dangerous Years, discusses the urgent need to rethink our economic and political systems in light of climate change, democratic erosion, and AI risks. He shares the origins of ecological literacy, the failures of traditional economic models to account for planetary boundaries, and the opportunity to create “Democracy 4.0”—a rights-based, systems-aware democracy fit for the 21st century. With thoughtful insights on the role of education, endowment investing, and human morality, Orr calls for bold, collective action in what he sees as a pivotal moment in human history. This conversation is both a warning and a hopeful guide for rebuilding our systems to better serve future generations and the planet.
Keywords: Ecological economics, democracy 4.0, climate change, systems thinking, higher education reform, AI risks, endowment investing, infinite growth fallacy, civic and moral revival, sustainability and justice

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