In this thought-provoking episode of The extra-Ordinary Leader, I sat down with Daniel Hulme, AI expert and CEO, to explore what leadership looks like in the age of artificial intelligence, data-driven decisions, and flatter, decentralised organisations.Together, we unravelled:Why extra-Ordinary leadership starts with getting out of the wayHow to use AI to surface team dynamics and friction pointsWhat digital twins are (and why your employees might love them)How to lead without hierarchyPractical ways to integrate AI into leadership, L&D, and performance managementThe power of frameworks (data → information → knowledge → understanding → wisdom)Why pressure should come from clients, not internal politicsDaniel also shares how his leadership philosophy has been influenced by Jean-Luc Picard, agile methods, and a desire to grow organisations that get faster and smarter with scale.If you’re a leader looking for practical wisdom on staying future-fit, creating meaningful work environments, and navigating AI without losing the human touch—this one is for you.If something in this conversation resonated, I’d love to hear from you. Get in touch, and let’s talk about how extra-Ordinary leadership could look in your team:https://www.dollywaddell.com/Find Out More about Satalia:https://www.satalia.com/about-us/Timestamps00:00 – Welcome02:00 – What extra-Ordinary leadership means to Daniel04:45 – Creating “fertile ground” and removing blockers06:30 – How AI is reshaping organisational design08:00 – The 3 ways AI is impacting business (productivity, supply chains, disruption)10:00 – How to apply AI to solve real business frictions12:30 – The Pyramid of Understanding (Data → Wisdom)14:45 – How AI helps predict and understand behaviour17:00 – The magic of assigning people to projects19:00 – Building digital twins of employees21:00 – Bridging the “intention-impact” gap with AI23:00 – Feedback, skill-mapping, and performance through AI26:00 – Can AI get it wrong?28:00 – The L&D world and using AI for behaviour change31:00 – Dolly’s approach to team transformation & where AI can enhance it34:00 – When the data shows us what ego and culture try to hide36:00 – Starting digital twin implementation—what’s step one?38:00 – Attachment styles & leadership dysfunctions40:00 – Why the “gardener” is the best kind of leader41:20 – Structured naming systems & the tech you actually need 43:00 – It’s not a tech problem—it’s a leadership one 45:00 – Why organisations reflect the personality of their leaders 47:00 – Are hierarchies really helping decision-making? 48:00 – Teal, Humanopathy & fluid teams 50:00 – Why pressure should come from clients, not internal structures 51:00 – The power of seven & ambidextrous leadership 53:00 – Dolly’s final question: What item at home reflects extra-Ordinary leadership? 54:00 – Star Trek’s Jean-Luc Picard and leadership lessons 54:30 – Wrap-up and thank you

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