In this episode, Jason Blumer is honored to speak with Joe Erwin of Erwin Creates and Endeavor. Joe shares the story of how he co-founded Erwin Penland and lessons learned throughout his career.Joe shares a few items from his list of what to do and what not to do as you grow your agency, including one item that actually made BOTH lists.From Joe's list of dos and don'ts, he explains why it is great to start some traditions and why you shouldn't waste time with negative people, which leads to the story of the first time he fired someone. He'll also share how freeing it is to stop worrying about your competition.This is a must listen episode. We hope you enjoy it!

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