Intro (0:00)

News and Views (0:56)
Stacy's good news, the celebrity who shared Beyond Bacon in their cookbook collection

Stacy's bad news, an injury over the weekend

The printing schedule with The Healing Kitchen, and how Sarah is managing her time and protecting her health despite a very stressful timeline




The Thing (12:41)
Monday morning of this week, the World Health Organization published a statement in The Lancet classifying red meat and processed meat as carcinogens

A working group completed a literature review, and based on that review and a majority opinion, have decided to label processed meats as an international agency for research on cancer group 1 carcinogen, which means it is a confirmed carcinogenic to humans; and they have decided to label red meat as a group 2A carcinogen, meaning it is likely carcinogenic to humans

They came up with these labels based on a majority, although not uniform; from studies linking high processed and red meat consumption with colorectal cancer

Even in their statement they sort of say 'despite the fact that this has never been confirmed or explained in animal studies'

Basically the press release led the media stories to say that bacon will kill you, and essentially sparked a social media battle between vegetarians/vegans and meat lovers

The reasons this has escalated into a very heated debate very quickly

The statements that Stacy has seen from meat vendors

The confusion that comes from all the various pieces of information in the media

Sarah thinks that the information that the World Health Organization recommends tends to be on the money, which is why this statement caused such a to-do, because this is such a reputable organization making such a strong statement

We expect the World Health Organization to be objective

Sarah recommends that people check out her blog post from the summer on the link between meat consumption and cancer


Sarah feels that the science on meat consumption shows that we need to come up with a more complete definition for carcinogenic

There are really four mechanisms that are possible explanations on why processed and read meat consumption may cause cancer, and at least three out out of four of those explanations are missing the link between meat consumption and cancer when you are eating at least five servings of vegetables a day

When we are talking about the meat and cancer link, all of the compounds in meat that have been linked to cancer are no different depending on how that meat is raised - so unfortunately they are in both conventional and grass-fed meat, which creates a different platform for the discussion

The role that heme iron plays and the damage that it causes in the gut lining and cells

What happens with heme when chlorophyll is present - displaying what happens when you have a side of broccoli next to your steak

The cancer link doesn't happen anymore when you consume vegetables with your meat, and so it starts to be that high meat diets don't cause cancer - its start to be that high meat diets that are simultaneously low in vegetable content are creating an environment in which cancer is more likely to grow

As soon as you add vegetables you are basically negating the high cancer risk of meat consumption, which you see in many scientific studies

High vegetable consumption is linked to a lower risk of every chronic illness, with the ideal number of servings per day being five

It is because of this information that Sarah feels you cannot uniformly say that meat causes cancer, because it is a very specific situation where meat is carcinogenic

The conversation should not demonize meat, but instead open the door for a discussion about why it is important to have a balance of vegetables and protein on our plates and why it actually improves health and reduces the risk of this link to cancer

Stacy finds that it is interesting that so much emphasis is being placed on processed meat, and that we need to take a step back and discuss what processed meat is and understand if/how the carcinogenic factor of the food is being altered

There are so many beneficial things to meat that are never discussed

Stacy feels that the information isn't truly representative of what these leading organizations know to be true, which is really unfortunate because this has led to so much confusion

Sarah feels like the opportunity to educate the general public is being completely missed, that we are trying to shortcut the science for the general public, assuming that they don't want the resources and tools to make informed choices

How can we expect to make any change without changing how we communicate health information, the rules approach does not work

The choice in this situation isn't don't eat bacon, it is have some vegetables on the side

We are constantly asking people to make these choices of deprivation, and the consequences this creates can be seen all around us

We need to help people understand what to eat, not just what not to eat, and to explain why




Stacy's thoughts on all the ways you can get in your five servings - and don't forget that most of the compounds in fruit are also equally beneficial

When in doubt add more vegetables to your plate

Stacy and Sarah will be back next week with a great topic!

Old lady ways

A reward for when Sarah finishes her book

Thoughts on The Martian


Carving out time to read for fun

And remember, be careful what you read on the internet, that seems to be the common thing that we are learning

Outro (53:42)


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