Across the LCMS and beyond, the average congregation hovers around 50 in worship. Why is this the case—and what can be done about it?In this Lead Time conversation, Tim Ahlman sits down with Rev. David Patterson (Institute of Lutheran Theology) to dig into the deeper issues behind church decline and revitalization. Together they explore:The real indicators of a congregation’s health (it’s not money or attendance).Why many churches remain “stuck” despite good intentions.How Ephesians 4 points to a path forward—knitting the body together in Christ.The role of humility, unity, and truth-telling in revitalization.This is a candid look at the challenges facing Lutheran congregations today—and the hope that still exists for renewal through the Spirit of God.👉 Share this with a leader or member who needs encouragement about the future of the church.Support the showJoin the Lead Time Newsletter! (Weekly Updates and Upcoming Episodes)https://www.uniteleadership.org/lead-time-podcast#newsletterVisit uniteleadership.org

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