Pain isn’t a punishment — it’s a promise.
In this episode of Holy Conversations, Pastor Michael Miller (Upper Room) joins Bernie Moore for a raw and powerful discussion on prayer, presence, repentance, suffering, and what it means to be marked by God in every season.
They talk about hosting the presence of Jesus, building a life of prayer, leading through disappointment, the hunger rising in Gen Z, and how God uses both glory and pain to form leaders.

If you’ve been walking through a difficult season, this conversation will remind you that God is faithful, God is near, and He never wastes your suffering.

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