Here we have Alex and Arun embark on yet another honest conversation - with the framework of a sermon segment from Pastor Loran Livingston of Central Church in Charlotte. Certainly not a popular take but a much needed  warning to the Church. Let us know if you have any thoughts or questions. Please SHARE and SUBSCRIBE if this is something that you find interesting as we hope to have many more conversations in the near future. #AgainstTheFlowSupport the showThank you for joining us on AGAINST THE FLOW - with Alex Ortiz and Arun Paul. We hope that our honest conversations will provoke thought and challenge perspectives. Join as we aspire to be more like Jesus and walk in His way. Please Subscribe, Follow or even write a review if you are so inclined.

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