What do spy disguises, UNO cards and critical thinking have to do with supporting care-experienced young people?In this thoughtful conversation with values-driven leader Janelle Brindle, we explore the messy, human realities behind the systems that shape young people’s lives. From supported accommodation to school exams, we reflect on the disjointed transitions at 16 and 18—and what happens when services work in silos.We talk about what really builds belonging, and why connection often starts in the small, quiet places. Like a lunchtime game of UNO. Or the space to fail safely in a creative subject. Or the moment someone says, “I’ve got you”.💬 Why creativity isn’t a ‘nice to have’—it’s an essential part of care.🎲 What UNO cards can teach us about presence, play and trust.👂🏽 Why listening with genuine curiosity can change a young person’s future.This episode is a gentle but urgent reminder that relationships shape outcomes—and that being a champion for a child is never wasted work.

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